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Bottles, ice for drinking versus ice for chilling, glassware, citrus, and batch-cocktail dilution — plus what should never go in a pitcher.

This night

Two drinks in the first hour and one an hour after — everybody knows that part. Then they buy one kind of ice, chill the wine in a tub with no water in it, batch a margarita on Thursday for a Saturday party, and wonder at nine o’clock why the drinks got worse.

The pouring is the easy half. Cold is the half that goes wrong.

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How much bar is this?

The night

What kind of night
How it runs
What people will mostly drink

An assumption you can change. Check the bag you are buying.

Show ice in

What to buy

Drinks and containers to buy, by family
FamilyDrinksShareBuy

Ice, glasses, citrus

Batch it properly

What kind of drink

What goes into the pitcher
Into the pitcherAmount

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Every rate this calculator uses
Drinks per guest, by kind of night
The nightFirst hourEvery hour after
Cocktail party21
Dinner party1.50.85
Big celebration21.1
Daytime or brunch1.20.7
Pours per container. Pours are rounded down: the last inch of a bottle is not a pour.
FamilyPer container
Wine5 per bottle
Sparkling6 per bottle
Beer or cider1 per can or bottle
Cocktails16 per bottle of spirit
Zero-proof4 per quart
Where these numbers came from — most of them are judgement, and say so
Drinks per guest: a first-hour rate, then an hourly rate, by kind of night House assumption

Shaped on the catering rule of thumb of two drinks in the first hour and one an hour after (the cocktail-party row). The other rows are judgement. The paid Salty & Clever products deliberately use higher stock figures; the free calculator plans for consumption, not stock.

Recorded spread: Real rooms beat or undershoot these by a third either way.

Share of drinks by family for each drinking style House assumption

A house judgement. Every style keeps a zero-proof share of 18 to 22 percent.

Pours per container = floor(container / pour); the remainder is the dregs House assumption

Arithmetic on the standard pour and container sizes, then rounded DOWN: 25.36 / 1.5 = 16.9 pours, planned as 16, because the last inch of a bottle is not a pour. Containers to buy are then rounded UP.

About 6 oz (0.375 lb) of ice per drink served over ice House assumption

A house figure that allows for melt while the glass is held. Salty-Clever-Products uses 0.32 lb; Occasion reads this figure from the canon (its code had used 0.17 kg, the same 6 oz).

Recorded spread: 0.3 to 0.45 lb per drink

About a pound of ice per bottle or can held cold, more in a warm room or a long party House assumption

A deliberately generous rule of thumb. The latent-heat model in the paid products lands nearer two thirds of a pound per can. Running out of ice is worse than a bag left over.

One cooler or tub holds about 40 lb of ice with bottles in it House assumption

A mid-size 45 to 50 quart cooler. Larger coolers hold more.

1.6 glasses per guest at two hours, plus 0.3 per hour after, clamped 1.5 to 3.0 House assumption

House judgement: people set a glass down and take a clean one. Multiply by 0.65 when glasses are washed during.

Under a fifth of pours alcohol-free runs out early House assumption

House position, argued on the Bar Calculator page.

Chilling a bottle: 3 h fridge, 25 min freezer, 12 to 15 min ice water House assumption

Kitchen practice. Water contact, not ice, is what makes the ice bath fast.

Bagged ice is planned in 7 lb bags; the reader can choose 5, 10 or 20 Typical for the category

US packaged-ice retail sells 7 lb and 10 lb bags as the common convenience sizes, with 16 to 22 lb bags at supermarkets and 5 lb bags less common. Check the bag you are buying.

Standard pours: wine 5 oz, sparkling 4 oz, spirit 1.5 oz Widely published

5 oz wine and 1.5 oz of 80-proof spirit are the US 'standard drink' pours (NIAAA). The 4 oz flute and 4 oz of mixer and 8 oz zero-proof serving are house figures.

A lemon gives about 1.5 oz of juice, a lime about 1 oz Widely published

Consistent across bartending references; real fruit varies by as much as 40 percent with variety and season.

Recorded spread: Limes 0.5 to 1.25 oz, lemons 1 to 2 oz

Batch dilution: stirred 22%, shaken 28%, punch 0%, zero-proof 15%; 4% transfer loss Widely published

Stirring adds roughly 20 to 25% water and shaking 25 to 30% in published bartending measurements. The exact points and the transfer loss are house choices inside those ranges.

What this calculator does not know
  • It does not know your guests. The consumption rates are averages across a mixed adult room, and a room that skews one way will beat them or fall well short.
  • It assumes staggered arrival. A crowd that walks in together drinks the first hour in twenty minutes.
  • It does not know your cooler, your freezer or the bag sizes at your shop. Change the bag size if yours differs.
  • It counts bottles and ice, not how a drink is built.
  • It gives planning figures, not a licence to over-serve.

Where this ends and the file begins.

This calculator gives you bottle counts for a guest count and a length of evening. The Number ($15) gives you the bar and the kitchen off one guest count, holds the answer while you shop, and tells you what runs out first when the party goes two hours long.

See The Number →

Ice is two different purchases

This is the one that catches people, and it catches them at the shop rather than at the party. Ice in a glass and ice around a bottle are doing unrelated jobs, and buying one bag for both is why the tub is water by eight o’clock.

Ice in the glass is roughly six ounces a drink once you allow for what melts while somebody holds it and talks. Only drinks served over ice count, so a wine-led evening barely needs any and a cocktail-forward one needs a great deal.

Ice around bottles is about a pound per bottle or can, and that figure climbs by about sixty percent in a warm room and by a third for a long party. It is not the same ice, it does not go in the same place, and it is gone first.

The other half of that rule: an ice tub holds cold, it does not make it. Bottles that arrive at room temperature will sit in ice for forty minutes taking cold out of the tub before they are pleasant to drink, and everything else in there warms up while they do it. Chill first. Tub second.

How fast a bottle actually gets cold

Three hours in the refrigerator, from room temperature to properly chilled white wine. Twenty-five minutes in the freezer, which works and which you will forget about, and a bottle that freezes pushes its own cork out.

Twelve to fifteen minutes in a bucket of ice and water. Not ice. Ice and water, up over the shoulder of the bottle, with a good handful of salt in it if you are impatient. Water touches the whole surface of the glass; ice cubes touch it in about nine places. That is the entire trick, it costs nothing, and it is the difference between a bottle that is ready when people arrive and a bottle that is ready when they leave.

A can or a bottle of beer in the same bath: eight minutes. Which means the beer nobody put in the fridge is not actually a problem, as long as somebody knows this.

What batches, what does not, and why the water matters

A cocktail is not the sum of its ingredients. It is the sum of its ingredients plus the water that stirring or shaking put into it, and that water is somewhere between a fifth and a third of what ends up in the glass. Leave it out of a batch and you have made something harsh and syrupy that nobody can place. Put it in and the drink pours from the fridge already finished, cold, correct, no ice needed, no measuring at eight o’clock with a room watching.

All-spirit stirred drinks are the ones batching was invented for. A Negroni, a Manhattan, a Boulevardier, a Martini: nothing in them goes dull, and a night in the refrigerator genuinely improves them. Sealed, they keep two days cold and about a week in the freezer, where they pour like silk.

Citrus-forward drinks batch, but on a clock. Fresh juice is bright for about four hours, tired by tomorrow morning and unpleasantly bitter by tomorrow night. Squeeze the day of, batch in the afternoon, keep it cold, taste it before anyone else does.

Four things do not go in a pitcher at all. Anything carbonated, which goes flat and then goes sad — soda joins at the glass. Anything with egg white or dairy, which will separate and cannot be brought back. Anything blended. And anything you were going to serve over more ice after you already built the dilution in, because that is two dilutions and a watery drink is the only cocktail failure guests will comment on.

Zero-proof, built like a drink

The reason most alcohol-free drinks are bad is not that they lack alcohol. It is that somebody removed the alcohol and did not replace anything it was doing. Alcohol carries aroma, adds bitterness and weight, and cuts sweetness. Take it out and put nothing back and you get juice with a rosemary sprig in it, served to the one person at the party who did not get a choice.

Four things have to be there. Acid, from fresh citrus or a vinegar shrub. Bitterness or tannin, which is what strong-brewed tea is for, or verjus, or a non-alcoholic bitter. Texture, from a syrup with some body to it. And salt — two drops of saline in a glass, which does the same thing to a drink that a pinch does to a sauce, and which almost nobody puts in.

Get those four in and the drink is a drink. It can be poured into the same glass as everything else, garnished like everything else, and handed to somebody without the small apologetic sentence that usually comes with it.

The citrus arithmetic

A lemon gives about an ounce and a half of juice. A lime gives about an ounce, less if it is out of season and the size of a walnut. The calculator plans half an ounce of lime and half an ounce of lemon for every cocktail and zero-proof drink, so that is three drinks per lemon and two per lime, and it is why the bag you bought looks generous on the counter and runs out at the halfway point.

Juice the day of, not the day before. Buy forty percent more than the arithmetic says, because a few will be dry inside and you will find that out at six o’clock. And keep garnish citrus separate from juicing citrus: one lemon gives eight or nine wheels, and a wheel cut at two in the afternoon looks exactly like a wheel cut at two in the afternoon.

Where these numbers come from

Consumption is the standard catering curve, adjusted for what kind of night it is: people drink faster in the first hour than any other, faster standing than sitting, and slower with a plate in front of them. Bottle counts come from real pours — five glasses to a bottle of wine, six flutes of sparkling, sixteen cocktails to a bottle of spirit at an ounce and a half.

Alcohol-free is never zero here, and never a token. Somebody at your table is driving, pregnant, on medication, in recovery, or simply not drinking tonight, and running out of the one thing they can have is the most conspicuous way to run dry. A fifth to a third of the pours is the honest planning figure, and it is higher in daylight.

If the same party also involves a board, the food side has its own arithmetic and its own way of going wrong — surface, not shopping. That one is at the Board Calculator.

This page counts bottles, glassware and ice. If what you want is how a given drink is actually built, Kitchen and Bar carries a written method for all 296 of them — spirits and zero-proof to the same standard, with the spec, the technique, and the one thing each one usually gets wrong.

Planning figures, not a license to over-serve. How much anybody drinks is their business and how much is available is yours; buy for the room, keep water and something alcohol-free within arm’s reach of every guest all night, and take somebody’s keys if it comes to that.

Where this stops

Bottles are the easy half. Standing at a shaker for three hours is the other one.

This tells you what to buy. It does not tell you how to serve thirty cocktails without becoming the bartender for the whole evening — which is a batching problem, and batching only works if you count the dilution water as an ingredient rather than adding it at the glass.

The Number — $15 carries the batching arithmetic, the zero-proof side, the glassware you actually own, and the short list of drinks that should never be batched at all.

One file, opens in your browser, works with no internet. Fourteen days, no reason required.

How this calculator works, and where every number in it comes from

Buying for a party is two questions that everybody collapses into one. How much will these people drink, and how much ice does that answer require. The second one is where parties actually fail, and it is the one no shopping list asks.

The drink formula, written out

Total drinks equals guests multiplied by the first-hour rate, plus guests multiplied by the later rate multiplied by every hour after the first. The two rates are set by the occasion, because people drink faster standing up than sitting down.

Cocktail party: 2.0 in the first hour, then 1.0 an hour. Dinner party: 1.5, then 0.85. Big celebration: 2.0, then 1.1. Daytime event: 1.2, then 0.7.

Then bottles equals drinks divided by pours per container. A 750 ml bottle of wine gives 5 glasses, sparkling 6, a spirit 16 at an ounce and a half, a can of beer 1, a US quart of mixer 8, a US quart of a zero-proof base 4.

Three worked examples

Twenty guests, dinner party, four hours. 20 multiplied by 1.5 is 30 for the first hour. 20 multiplied by 0.85 multiplied by 3 is 51 for the rest. Eighty-one drinks. If sixty percent of that is wine, that is 49 glasses, which is 10 bottles once you round up.

Thirty guests, cocktail party, three hours. 30 multiplied by 2.0 is 60, plus 30 multiplied by 1.0 multiplied by 2 is 60. A hundred and twenty drinks, which is a great deal more than most people buy for thirty.

The same dinner party, ice. Ice gets counted twice and this is the part that surprises people. Ice in the glass runs 0.375 pounds, about six ounces, for every drink served over ice. If forty of those eighty-one drinks go over ice, that is 15 pounds. Ice around bottles runs about a pound per bottle or can, multiplied by 1.6 above 80 degrees and by 1.3 for a party running past three hours. Twenty-four bottles at four hours is 31 pounds. Total 46 pounds, which is seven bags at seven pounds each, and a cooler holds about forty.

Glassware, dilution and chilling

Glasses per guest run 1.6, plus 0.3 for every hour past two, clamped between 1.5 and 3.0, multiplied by 0.65 if somebody is washing mid-party. Twenty guests over four hours is 2.2 each, so 44 glasses, or 29 if there is a wash.

Batch dilution: an all-spirit stirred batch takes 22 percent added water, a citrus-forward shaken batch 28 percent, and both drop by six points if the drink is then going over fresh ice. Punch takes none, because it dilutes on the block. A zero-proof batch takes 15 percent, for reasons set out in the zero-proof batching arithmetic. Thirty-six ounces of stirred build plus 22 percent is 7.9 ounces of water and 43.9 ounces finished.

Chilling a bottle takes three hours in the refrigerator, 25 minutes in the freezer, or 12 to 15 minutes in ice and water over the shoulder, 8 to 10 with a handful of salt in it. A can takes 8 minutes. Water contact is the whole trick: ice alone touches a bottle in a few places, ice water touches all of it.

Assumptions, and where they stop being true

The consumption rates are catering averages across a mixed adult group. They are not your friends, and a room that skews heavily one way will beat them or fall well short. Adjust once, on the first hour, and leave the curve alone.

The chilling model here is a rule of thumb at a pound of ice per bottle. The paid engine uses latent-heat physics and lands lower, around two thirds of a pound per can. The rule of thumb is deliberately generous because running out of ice is worse than having a bag left.

Citrus yield is stated at an ounce and a half per lemon and about an ounce per lime, and real fruit varies by as much as forty percent with variety and season, which is the argument for buying forty percent more than the arithmetic says.

When this breaks

It breaks when everybody arrives at once, because the first-hour rate assumes staggered arrival and a crowd that walks in together drinks the first hour in twenty minutes. It breaks when one drink dominates and the bottle split stops meaning anything. It breaks outdoors above 80 degrees, where the ice multiplier is doing real work and is still probably low. And the dilution figures do not apply at all to anything carbonated, anything with egg white or dairy in it, or anything blended, none of which should be in a jug in the first place.

Every constant above is listed on Every Number This Site Runs On, which is where they are kept so a calculator, a post and a paid kit cannot quietly drift apart. If you want the reasoning rather than the arithmetic, the mechanism pieces are why published dilution numbers disagree, cube size as a dilution setting, and how much of the drinks budget should have no alcohol in it.

Where this page stops

This counts what you pour. It does not ask where any of it is going to live between now and Saturday.

The Cold Problem measures refrigerator and cooler space the way it actually runs out — by shelf and by footprint — and does the ice arithmetic that is mostly not about ice in glasses.

See The Cold Problem — $5 Everything in the shop